When it comes to legislation coming out of Washington, discerning citizens of the United States (i.e. conservatives) are hungry for details. Despite the fiery rhetoric and the fabricated urgency of the Democrats - especially that of President Barack Obama - to pass legislation before even reading it (as was the case with the failed stimulus), word is filtering down to the masses that socializing medical care will have the opposite affect than that being promised by “the One.”
It isn’t conjecture on the part of Conservatives that government-run healthcare will be a disaster – the proof of that fact can be witnessed in every nation and state where it has been foisted on the people. People come to this country for medical treatment; they do not go to Canada or Great Britain.
Watching the healthcare debate is like watching a tennis match: ridiculous and impossible promises are served up by the liberals and the conservatives are volleying forcefully, the power of fact behind every sure swing. The score is currently Love – 40, but it isn’t over yet.
For the right side to win, people need to know the details! Hopefully it isn’t going to be good enough for the democrats to put a little “race card” or “poor card” spin on the ball like they usually do, (as was seen even from the President himself the other day, fielding a question about the Louis Gates fiasco when supposedly talking about his government run healthcare plan). There are actually liberally-oriented spectators in the stands this game. They include the unemployed, still waiting for their promised stimulus. They are the Hollywood types who are starting to realize that they will be taxed into relative (to their current status) poverty. They are accountants and economists who can’t reconcile Obama’s uncontrolled spending to any sort of fiscal responsibility unless they use the kind of funny math that Tim Geithner and Tom Daschle use to calculate their own personal tax debt. Now if we can just get the run-of-the-mill liberal out there to look at the facts instead of the buying into the liberal propaganda spoon fed to them by the loonies at Huffington Post and MSNBC, we might actually be able to use this attempted socialist take-over to our advantage.
"...the proof of that fact can be witnessed in every nation and state where it has been foisted on the people. People come to this country for medical treatment; they do not go to Canada or Great Britain."
ReplyDeleteA prime example of cherry picking, as well as fallacious logic. Your argument: Government-run healthcare does not work well in Canada and Great Britain. Therefore, it does not work well anywhere in the world and would not work well here.
You may be right in that it wouldn't work well here, but your argument is a fallacy. You have failed to include the health care systems of every other Western country in your argument. There are many countries where it does work well, and where the vast majority of people are satisfied, even happy, with their health care systems.
I am not sold on government-run healthcare. I have a job with good benefits, and so the problems that millions of Americans face when it comes to health care, I do not share. But let's be fair and provide a complete set of facts. I find your "proof" no proof at all. Just because Canada and Great Britain have failed at the task, perhaps we could do it better.
My mother in law is from England and I've heard the stories and Canadians do come to America for healthcare. So what happens if we go to nationalized healthcare, then what? What countries does it work it? and where did these "polls" come from where the people said they were happy. A lot of people are curable at the time they are put on the waiting list and by the time they make it in to see a doctor its too late. Ask THAT family, I bet they're ecstatic about their healthcare. What "proof" do you have?
ReplyDeleteGreat points and questions, Anonymous. But I think you're missing my point. I'm not suggesting that government-run healthcare would definitely work here. I'm simply saying that we should question the "proof" on both sides of the equation. I've heard the horror stories of government-run healthcare. I've also heard the horror stories of our own current system. And though I don't know this from first-hand experience, I've heard that the systems in Sweden, Germany, and Japan work well. I've also heard that many people in France are happy with their system. So just because the systems in Britain and Canada suck, it doesn't automatically mean we couldn't do it better than they do. It takes a fuller set of facts than just focusing on those two countries to make an informed decision.
ReplyDeleteMy posts have to be approved now? Surely you aren't considering sensoring our posts, eh Mr. Blogger? Such a socialist concept...
ReplyDeleteThe posts are being moderated for two reasons:
ReplyDelete1.) I am always in a hurry and make too many spelling mistakes. Having to approve my own blog entries allows me the opportunity for one more spell check.
2.) I have kids who read the blogs. Just in case some new liberal shows up and starts cursing, this will give me the chance to delete any obscenities while preserving the context intended by the writer. If you want to call that censorship, be my guest, but it isn't. It's my blog and I get to run it however I want. If anyone wants to use profanity on a blog, he or she can easily create one of their own. see, THAT'S the way a conservative thinks.
Now, as to the government run "option," I would add that we've tried it here and it's failing. Medicare is 37 Billion in the red and getting worse. Being a vet, I can honestly tell you that the VA run programs are pathetic compared to privately run ones. Massachusetts has been trying it out now for a while and it's already failing.
ReplyDeleteLet's define failing healthcare. I am going to define it as anything worse than we currently have. Do you think that healthcare is better anywhere else in the world? I don't. I've done a little traveling in my day, and although I can't claim to be an expert on foriegn healthcare, I have had an opportunity to meet people from a slew of different countries. Opportunity in the US is the gold standard around the world bar none. We provide the greatest opportunity because of our free market system, which also happens to include our healthcare system here. Socialize the auto industry, the healthcare industry, the insurance industry - if we do all those things we may very well deprive people of opportunity, and quality of care will suffer.
Hanso,
ReplyDeleteHere's a good article illustrating another countries failed experiment with socialized medicine. http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=336178343967257
You said there are plenty of western countries that are satisfied with their healthcare - which ones? Polls don't back you up.